1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:11,967 Since it was launched in 1958, some believe NASA has encountered evidence of UFOs, and 2 00:00:11,967 --> 00:00:16,852 some UFO researchers say they're covering it up. 3 00:00:16,852 --> 00:00:22,257 The notion that we're alone in the universe becomes absurd. 4 00:00:22,257 --> 00:00:28,063 After Roswell, UFO sightings increase at an incredible rate. 5 00:00:28,063 --> 00:00:33,989 Are astronauts seeing things too? 6 00:00:33,989 --> 00:00:38,793 Official NASA videos capture possible anomalous objects on film. 7 00:00:38,793 --> 00:00:42,197 They are objects that are out there, obviously not stars. 8 00:00:42,197 --> 00:00:44,879 But NASA dismisses the sightings. 9 00:00:44,879 --> 00:00:50,244 Why did they finalize a report on unidentified blind objects without finding out what those 10 00:00:50,244 --> 00:00:52,246 were? 11 00:00:52,246 --> 00:00:58,853 Scientists rarely come forward with their stories, but now details are coming out. 12 00:00:58,853 --> 00:01:02,256 The policy was that we should stay quiet about such things. 13 00:01:02,256 --> 00:01:05,219 Frankly, I don't see why they would fabricate this kind of material. 14 00:01:05,219 --> 00:01:07,901 It's almost a negative career-wise for them. 15 00:01:07,901 --> 00:01:10,664 Has NASA discovered proof of UFOs? 16 00:01:10,664 --> 00:01:15,589 We're not entirely convinced that all the NASA footage is a bunch of dust particles. 17 00:01:15,589 --> 00:01:17,551 And are they hiding what they found? 18 00:01:17,551 --> 00:01:21,074 He said, well, we have to airbrush these out. 19 00:01:21,074 --> 00:01:26,079 This is case number 58306, The NASA Files. 20 00:01:26,079 --> 00:01:29,082 We have an unidentified flying object. 21 00:01:52,104 --> 00:02:00,272 Since the beginning of the manned space programs in the early 1960s, UFO researchers have claimed 22 00:02:00,272 --> 00:02:07,559 that NASA missions are seeing UFOs in space. 23 00:02:07,559 --> 00:02:15,527 Cameras aboard NASA spacecraft photograph and videotape numerous large solid objects. 24 00:02:15,527 --> 00:02:22,293 According to some experts, these objects appear to accelerate, change direction, and even 25 00:02:22,293 --> 00:02:25,497 evade danger. 26 00:02:25,497 --> 00:02:32,864 NASA's explanations say that these are images of ice crystals or other normal space debris. 27 00:02:32,864 --> 00:02:42,994 But others are convinced that NASA is not disclosing the entire truth. 28 00:02:42,994 --> 00:02:47,518 Don't you guys find it strange that NASA is not interested in UFOs at all? 29 00:02:47,518 --> 00:02:53,243 NASA has a limited budget, and UFOs is just considered to be so unlikely that NASA put 30 00:02:53,243 --> 00:02:57,367 up their resources towards other areas they feel are more likely to yield fruit. 31 00:02:57,367 --> 00:03:01,011 They say they're not interested in UFOs, yet they've got all this footage of strange things 32 00:03:01,011 --> 00:03:02,092 flying around. 33 00:03:02,092 --> 00:03:06,096 What exactly do we have to do to prove that there is a UFO cover up in NASA? 34 00:03:06,096 --> 00:03:11,261 You've got to find people who are credible witnesses inside NASA, and we've got to find 35 00:03:11,261 --> 00:03:15,585 documents that say NASA knows there are UFOs. 36 00:03:15,585 --> 00:03:17,067 That's what we have to investigate. 37 00:03:17,067 --> 00:03:23,233 Ted wants a smoking gun, let's go look for a smoking gun. 38 00:03:23,233 --> 00:03:28,838 The team heads to Denver, Colorado to speak with a former NASA employee who has a unique 39 00:03:28,838 --> 00:03:34,764 insight into NASA's relationship with UFOs. 40 00:03:34,764 --> 00:03:40,489 John Schusler worked in the engineering department at NASA during the Gemini and Apollo programs 41 00:03:40,609 --> 00:03:45,614 from 1962 until his retirement in 1998. 42 00:03:45,614 --> 00:03:52,781 He was awarded the NASA Public Service Medal in 1997. 43 00:03:52,781 --> 00:03:57,946 If anybody knows about a NASA cover up from the inside, it's John Schusler. 44 00:03:57,946 --> 00:03:59,788 Were you inside the NASA machine? 45 00:03:59,788 --> 00:04:03,271 I did have a top secret clearance. 46 00:04:03,271 --> 00:04:05,113 I'm interested in solving this mystery. 47 00:04:05,113 --> 00:04:09,357 I try to find out why somebody that's really responsible for our space program wouldn't 48 00:04:09,357 --> 00:04:11,920 be interested in something else up there. 49 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,323 And all I got was Stonewall. 50 00:04:15,323 --> 00:04:17,165 What's the NASA policy on UFOs? 51 00:04:17,165 --> 00:04:22,330 I never saw a written policy, but the unwritten policy was don't go there. 52 00:04:22,330 --> 00:04:24,011 Now that's a policy. 53 00:04:24,011 --> 00:04:28,856 It's a non-subject, it's a policy whether you want to say it or not. 54 00:04:28,856 --> 00:04:32,420 I found that NASA had a list of organizations outside of NASA. 55 00:04:32,420 --> 00:04:35,823 Those organizations were supposed to be able to give me the NASA policy. 56 00:04:35,823 --> 00:04:36,824 That's pretty strange. 57 00:04:36,824 --> 00:04:38,385 NASA should be speaking for themselves. 58 00:04:40,387 --> 00:04:47,674 While NASA has no official policy on UFOs, other government and military agencies found 59 00:04:47,674 --> 00:04:51,758 the perfect way to dismiss any talk about the subject. 60 00:04:51,758 --> 00:04:53,920 The Condon Report. 61 00:04:53,920 --> 00:05:01,408 The report, commissioned by the Air Force in 1966, was led by physicist Edward Condon. 62 00:05:01,408 --> 00:05:06,292 After two years of studying UFO information gathered by both government and civilian 63 00:05:06,292 --> 00:05:12,699 groups, the report determined that all cases had rational explanations and that no further 64 00:05:12,699 --> 00:05:15,581 study of such phenomena was necessary. 65 00:05:15,581 --> 00:05:22,628 Quote, the subject of UFOs has been widely misrepresented to the public by a small number 66 00:05:22,628 --> 00:05:24,430 of individuals. 67 00:05:24,430 --> 00:05:30,436 If we came across any evidence whatever that seemed to us to indicate a defense hazard, 68 00:05:30,436 --> 00:05:33,919 we would call it to the attention of the Air Force at once. 69 00:05:33,919 --> 00:05:36,362 We did not find any such evidence. 70 00:05:36,362 --> 00:05:42,367 We do not think at this time the federal government ought to set up a major new agency, as some 71 00:05:42,367 --> 00:05:46,131 have suggested, for the scientific study of UFOs. 72 00:05:49,134 --> 00:05:54,699 Why did they finalize a report on a study of unidentified flying objects without finding 73 00:05:54,699 --> 00:05:56,941 out what those were? 74 00:05:56,941 --> 00:06:00,625 His executive summary said, forget it all, you know, there's nothing to it. 75 00:06:00,625 --> 00:06:04,469 So you're saying the Condon Report was far from objective. 76 00:06:04,469 --> 00:06:10,435 There was an Air Force influence on the report to make sure that it came up negative. 77 00:06:10,435 --> 00:06:16,681 And the Air Force used that statement by Condon to shut down Project Blue Book and say for 78 00:06:16,681 --> 00:06:20,604 the next 40 years UFOs didn't exist. 79 00:06:20,604 --> 00:06:26,210 With all government agencies, including NASA, no longer officially interested in studying 80 00:06:26,210 --> 00:06:28,252 the UFO phenomena. 81 00:06:28,252 --> 00:06:34,097 It became difficult for astronauts or anyone else working for NASA to speak about anomalous 82 00:06:34,097 --> 00:06:38,141 events they possibly witnessed. 83 00:06:38,141 --> 00:06:43,787 If you look at the index to this, chapter six of that is visual observations made by 84 00:06:43,787 --> 00:06:45,949 U.S. astronauts. 85 00:06:45,949 --> 00:06:49,312 The very first case I ever heard of was on Gemini 4. 86 00:06:49,312 --> 00:06:54,037 And on Gemini 4 you had an outstanding pair of astronauts up there. 87 00:06:54,037 --> 00:06:55,718 This was James McDivitt and White. 88 00:06:55,718 --> 00:07:03,446 One of them said, hey, there's something up here. 89 00:07:03,446 --> 00:07:06,249 June 1965. 90 00:07:06,249 --> 00:07:12,535 Ed White and James McDivitt are passing over Hawaii in the Gemini 4 spacecraft. 91 00:07:12,535 --> 00:07:18,781 They suddenly spot a metallic object with long arms protruding from it. 92 00:07:18,781 --> 00:07:23,986 McDivitt takes a series of pictures. 93 00:07:23,986 --> 00:07:28,670 Some hours later, McDivitt is on duty while his partner sleeps. 94 00:07:28,670 --> 00:07:32,674 He sees something strange over the Hawaiian islands. 95 00:07:32,674 --> 00:07:39,921 A round object with a comet-like tail and manages to take some movie footage. 96 00:07:39,921 --> 00:07:47,208 According to the official NASA transcript, McDivitt contacts NASA, quote, Gemini 4. 97 00:07:47,208 --> 00:07:50,972 Capcom responds, quote, how are you doing up there? 98 00:07:50,972 --> 00:07:53,975 McDivitt reports back, quote, fine. 99 00:07:53,975 --> 00:07:56,617 I just saw something else up here with me. 100 00:07:56,617 --> 00:08:00,982 But just as I was getting close enough to take a good picture, the sun got in the way 101 00:08:00,982 --> 00:08:03,944 and I lost it. 102 00:08:03,944 --> 00:08:09,790 The official mission audio reveals that the capsule communicator, or Capcom, acknowledges 103 00:08:09,790 --> 00:08:14,755 and shows interest in what McDivitt is seeing. 104 00:08:14,755 --> 00:08:20,601 McDivitt says, quote, stand by and let me see if I can find this thing again. 105 00:08:20,601 --> 00:08:23,163 Capcom responds back, quote. 106 00:08:23,163 --> 00:08:24,164 That's a firm. 107 00:08:24,164 --> 00:08:26,807 You still looking at the thing up there? 108 00:08:26,807 --> 00:08:30,650 McDivitt reports back, quote, no, I've lost it. 109 00:08:30,650 --> 00:08:33,653 It had big arms sticking out of it, it looked like. 110 00:08:33,653 --> 00:08:36,136 I only had it just for a minute. 111 00:08:36,136 --> 00:08:41,221 I got a couple of pictures with a movie camera and one with the Hasselblad, but I was in 112 00:08:41,221 --> 00:08:44,183 free drift before I could get the control back. 113 00:08:44,183 --> 00:08:50,109 I drifted and lost it. 114 00:08:50,109 --> 00:08:55,915 After the Gemini 4 mission concludes, McDivitt is surprised to find that NASA releases only 115 00:08:55,915 --> 00:09:01,000 one picture and one still frame of his footage to the public. 116 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:07,126 He maintains the released picture is not what he saw and denies NASA's explanation that 117 00:09:07,126 --> 00:09:13,091 the object is simply a reflection on the window. 118 00:09:13,091 --> 00:09:17,816 McDivitt believes he may have accidentally photographed a secret defense satellite. 119 00:09:18,817 --> 00:09:23,221 The astronauts themselves are talking about UFOs. 120 00:09:23,221 --> 00:09:24,222 Well some of them did. 121 00:09:24,222 --> 00:09:25,223 Well, some. 122 00:09:25,223 --> 00:09:26,224 Not very many. 123 00:09:26,224 --> 00:09:31,109 The pilots generally will not speak out about UFOs, even though they encounter them on 124 00:09:31,109 --> 00:09:32,110 a regular basis. 125 00:09:32,110 --> 00:09:33,111 It's taboo. 126 00:09:33,111 --> 00:09:34,112 They just won't do it. 127 00:09:34,112 --> 00:09:36,834 Their real business is flying in space. 128 00:09:36,834 --> 00:09:40,718 They don't want to talk about anything else. 129 00:09:40,718 --> 00:09:47,044 But this is not the only time a Gemini mission will spot something strange. 130 00:09:47,044 --> 00:09:55,132 December 1965, astronauts James Lovell and Frank Borman in the Gemini 7 capsule see a 131 00:09:55,132 --> 00:09:59,096 UFO on their second orbit around the Earth. 132 00:09:59,096 --> 00:10:07,264 Gemini control at Cape Kennedy explains it away as the final stage of their Titan rocket. 133 00:10:07,264 --> 00:10:12,069 But once again, official mission audio tells a different story. 134 00:10:12,069 --> 00:10:16,072 Gemini 7 here, you are not here, right? 135 00:10:16,072 --> 00:10:18,074 Lock clear, 7 go ahead. 136 00:10:18,074 --> 00:10:22,078 How far can you attack the clock high? 137 00:10:22,078 --> 00:10:25,081 This is Houston, say again, 7. 138 00:10:25,081 --> 00:10:29,085 So now, go ahead and attack the clock high. 139 00:10:30,086 --> 00:10:36,092 But Lovell, Borman's co-pilot, notes that he sees the booster rocket on his side of the 140 00:10:36,092 --> 00:10:39,095 craft. 141 00:10:39,095 --> 00:10:45,101 According to the official NASA audio transcript of the mission, Lovell says, quote, I have 142 00:10:45,101 --> 00:10:48,104 the booster on my side. 143 00:10:48,104 --> 00:10:52,107 Capcom responds, quote, what direction is it from you? 144 00:10:52,107 --> 00:11:00,115 Lovell reports back, quote, it's ahead of us at 2 o'clock, slowly tumbling. 145 00:11:00,115 --> 00:11:05,280 Later, Audio shows Capcom convincing Borman and Lovell that this is part of the booster 146 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,122 rocket after all. 147 00:11:07,122 --> 00:11:15,130 But despite this explanation, NASA rarely addresses this or other early astronaut sightings. 148 00:11:15,130 --> 00:11:22,136 I was told one time by a director that you have to make a decision in what you really 149 00:11:22,136 --> 00:11:23,137 want to do. 150 00:11:23,137 --> 00:11:28,142 Do you really want to follow UFOs or do you really want to be in the space program? 151 00:11:28,142 --> 00:11:31,145 It wasn't accepted or given as a threat. 152 00:11:31,145 --> 00:11:34,148 It was given as more like, this is the way it is. 153 00:11:34,148 --> 00:11:36,150 This is life here. 154 00:11:38,152 --> 00:11:44,158 Others who have worked within NASA, like John Schusler, report that there is an unspoken 155 00:11:44,158 --> 00:11:47,161 code of silence on the subject. 156 00:11:47,161 --> 00:11:53,167 One woman is willing to break this code, and she claims to have witnessed NASA not just 157 00:11:53,167 --> 00:11:57,170 ignoring evidence, but suppressing it. 158 00:11:57,170 --> 00:12:00,173 One of the things that I noticed was a spot. 159 00:12:00,173 --> 00:12:03,176 He said, well, we have to airbrush these out. 160 00:12:07,180 --> 00:12:14,187 Since the beginning of NASA's manned space flights, the agency has refused to officially 161 00:12:14,187 --> 00:12:20,193 comment on the possibility of UFOs encountered during their missions. 162 00:12:20,193 --> 00:12:25,198 But there are a few who have been willing to come forward and talk on the record about 163 00:12:25,198 --> 00:12:28,201 NASA and UFOs. 164 00:12:28,201 --> 00:12:35,207 The team sends Pat to pick up an inside contact who claims that she has witnessed NASA covering 165 00:12:35,207 --> 00:12:39,211 up the existence of UFOs firsthand. 166 00:12:42,214 --> 00:12:43,215 Hi. 167 00:12:43,215 --> 00:12:49,221 Donna Hare claims to have worked at NASA as a subcontractor with security clearance. 168 00:12:49,221 --> 00:12:56,228 She has recently gone public with her alleged encounter at the Johnson Space Center in Houston. 169 00:12:56,228 --> 00:13:01,233 I became aware that there were craft at NASA, and it's being kept secret. 170 00:13:01,233 --> 00:13:05,236 And I had seen pictures in the lab. 171 00:13:05,236 --> 00:13:14,245 The team is aware that Donna's story is a controversial one, but she strongly believes in what she claims to have seen. 172 00:13:14,245 --> 00:13:19,250 While at NASA, her work focused on graphic design. 173 00:13:19,250 --> 00:13:28,259 During her tenure, she believes she saw someone suppress evidence. 174 00:13:28,259 --> 00:13:31,262 Can you describe what you saw in some detail? 175 00:13:31,262 --> 00:13:33,264 I was working in Building 8. 176 00:13:33,264 --> 00:13:36,266 And one of the technicians there was making a mosaic. 177 00:13:36,266 --> 00:13:41,271 One of the things that I noticed was a spot. 178 00:13:41,271 --> 00:13:47,277 According to Donna, the technician was making a mosaic map of an undisclosed area. 179 00:13:47,277 --> 00:13:57,287 A satellite in orbit was taking numerous pictures of the location and sending them back to Earth so that they could later be put together to form a grid of the entire area. 180 00:13:58,288 --> 00:14:08,297 In one of these pictures, Donna claims to have noticed a strange object that seemed out of place. 181 00:14:08,297 --> 00:14:11,300 I said, is that a bubble on the emulsion? 182 00:14:11,300 --> 00:14:15,304 He said, no, bubbles on the emulsion don't leave round shadows on the ground. 183 00:14:15,304 --> 00:14:20,309 He said, well, we have to airbrush these out before we sell them to the public. 184 00:14:20,309 --> 00:14:33,322 She wondered, was this just protocol to airbrush normal objects or distortions, making the photos more clear, or an attempt to erase errant pictures of UFOs? 185 00:14:33,322 --> 00:14:40,329 They did have a protocol in place, so obviously other things have gone through that they've taken out. 186 00:14:40,329 --> 00:14:43,331 I mean, are we talking about a NASA cover-up here? 187 00:14:43,331 --> 00:14:47,335 Donna's story has never been independently verified. 188 00:14:47,335 --> 00:14:56,344 And if this was a UFO airbrushed out of existence, does this mean the entire organization is in on the cover-up? 189 00:14:56,344 --> 00:15:08,356 All of NASA is not covering it up, but I do believe specific people in there are keeping it covered up, which is more scary than a UFO to me. 190 00:15:08,356 --> 00:15:16,363 Did anybody at NASA ever tell you don't ever talk about UFOs? 191 00:15:16,363 --> 00:15:24,371 There were two gentlemen that did come to my house, and they basically told me it was not a good thing for me to talk about. 192 00:15:24,371 --> 00:15:33,380 Now, they didn't say you're going to die, but I was getting my phone tapped a lot, and I was getting followed. 193 00:15:33,380 --> 00:15:42,389 If it's intimidation, it shouldn't be done. To me, that's completely against the American way of life. We shouldn't be talking about this. 194 00:15:42,389 --> 00:15:46,393 I think this is one of the most serious subjects that we're ever going to see. 195 00:15:46,393 --> 00:15:58,404 These allegations of a NASA cover-up are extraordinary, but those who come forward stand by their experiences. 196 00:15:58,404 --> 00:16:06,412 The team turns to the history of NASA shuttle encounters in an attempt to find more answers. 197 00:16:06,412 --> 00:16:18,424 In the Space Shuttle Columbia launched into space on April 12, 1981, astronauts were spending not hours, but days and later weeks in outer space. 198 00:16:18,424 --> 00:16:24,429 It would be logical to expect anomalous sightings to increase as well. 199 00:16:24,429 --> 00:16:28,433 That's exactly what happened. 200 00:16:28,433 --> 00:16:36,441 With a number of reports from shuttle astronauts increases, NASA continues to search for explanations. 201 00:16:36,441 --> 00:16:49,454 Space debris was a common explanation, but NASA soon discovered that the shuttle itself could be having an impact on what astronauts were seeing. 202 00:16:49,454 --> 00:16:57,461 The team heads back to California for a first-hand look at an astronaut's point of view. 203 00:16:57,461 --> 00:17:05,469 Brick Price has built an exact duplicate of the control room of the Space Shuttle, which is often used in Hollywood films. 204 00:17:05,469 --> 00:17:07,471 Well, here's a Space Shuttle. What do you think? 205 00:17:07,471 --> 00:17:08,472 Wow! 206 00:17:08,472 --> 00:17:15,479 The mock-up was constructed from the original shuttle blueprints, so every square inch of it is accurate. 207 00:17:15,479 --> 00:17:26,489 Brick has set up a cross-section of the Space Shuttle's windows and set up a camera to film through them, displaying its point of view on a separate monitor. 208 00:17:26,489 --> 00:17:34,497 His experiments will explore a theory of what the astronauts could have seen. 209 00:17:34,497 --> 00:17:43,506 A lot of people have seen this NASA footage say that these objects flying around are just bits of debris or even chunks of ice that have sort of been chipped off the Space Shuttle. 210 00:17:43,506 --> 00:17:44,507 Is that something that could actually happen? 211 00:17:44,507 --> 00:17:45,508 Sure. 212 00:17:45,508 --> 00:17:47,510 And that's a possibility. 213 00:17:47,510 --> 00:17:53,516 The Space Shuttle's windows are typically four to five window panes thick. 214 00:17:53,516 --> 00:17:59,521 But because of this, the view outside can easily be distorted. 215 00:17:59,521 --> 00:18:02,524 With these panes of glass, we're going to be able to show you reflections. 216 00:18:02,524 --> 00:18:07,529 Amy's going to be shining a bright light here and trying to mimic what might happen with sunlight moving around. 217 00:18:07,529 --> 00:18:16,538 The glass is very thick. What you have then is you have an inner surface and outer surface on each piece of glass that has separation, and then you have four or five pieces of glass. 218 00:18:16,538 --> 00:18:19,541 Now, each of those surfaces will reflect light. 219 00:18:19,541 --> 00:18:32,553 With light reflecting through several different panes, it can make debris on the windows appear to grow in size or move. 220 00:18:32,553 --> 00:18:37,558 You'll see it was the sunlight that moves around. It's going to pick up different aspects of this. 221 00:18:37,558 --> 00:18:46,567 On the computer monitor, the team can clearly see how easily light can distort the smallest particle. 222 00:18:46,567 --> 00:18:51,572 As you'll see on here, note that this one fades out, that particular one right there. 223 00:18:51,572 --> 00:18:57,578 So it looks like it's growing. It looks like it might be coming towards us because as the light increases in intensity, it appears to be growing bigger. 224 00:18:57,578 --> 00:19:02,583 Now, best stuff you're seeing coming across in between the lens and the sheets of glass, the window. 225 00:19:02,583 --> 00:19:07,587 And it's being illuminated from the light that's coming on the window side. 226 00:19:07,587 --> 00:19:14,594 Not only is there debris outside the shuttle, but there is also debris between the window panels. 227 00:19:14,594 --> 00:19:17,597 How would debris get inside the panes of glass? 228 00:19:17,597 --> 00:19:21,601 Here you can see how the panes of glass are vibrating at different frequencies. 229 00:19:21,601 --> 00:19:24,604 And that translates, of course, to the edges here. 230 00:19:24,604 --> 00:19:31,611 So again, if it pushed against it like that sheet of glass and caused it to a little piece to just break free, 231 00:19:31,611 --> 00:19:38,618 it could be anything. It could be a paint or a piece of aluminum or maybe some dried up insulation or something. 232 00:19:39,618 --> 00:19:41,620 So aberrations are common. 233 00:19:41,620 --> 00:19:46,625 Not only can there be debris magnified on the outside of the window, 234 00:19:46,625 --> 00:19:53,632 any internal debris that breaks off in between the glass layers can appear as a strange object as well. 235 00:19:56,635 --> 00:20:02,641 Stark sunlight coming at acute angles into the field, ice particles. 236 00:20:02,641 --> 00:20:10,649 You know, all these add up to me to a pretty good set of candidate explanations for what we're seeing in these photos. 237 00:20:10,649 --> 00:20:17,655 So all this goes to show that when you're looking through these multiple panes of glass, you're looking at a lot more than just what's outside. 238 00:20:17,655 --> 00:20:20,658 Oh, absolutely. As I said, there's much more than meets the eye. 239 00:20:20,658 --> 00:20:24,662 There's clearly a lot of objects that are far off in the distance from the space shuttle, 240 00:20:24,662 --> 00:20:28,666 and those may not be little pieces of ice or dust particles. 241 00:20:29,667 --> 00:20:36,674 I'm not entirely convinced that all the NASA footage is a bunch of dust particles. There may be some stuff out there. 242 00:20:39,677 --> 00:20:44,682 Bricks demonstration may explain some of the objects seen by astronauts, 243 00:20:44,682 --> 00:20:50,687 but it doesn't explain official NASA footage taken outside the space shuttle. 244 00:20:51,688 --> 00:20:57,694 Footage that shows objects, which some claim are moving under intelligent control. 245 00:21:01,698 --> 00:21:09,706 August 6th, 2005. Just before dawn over the Pacific waters that separate Hawaii and the U.S. mainland. 246 00:21:09,706 --> 00:21:19,715 A camera on space shuttle mission STS-114 Discovery photographs several unidentified lights in the sky. 247 00:21:19,715 --> 00:21:25,721 One of them appears to come to a halt and then reverse direction. 248 00:21:25,721 --> 00:21:31,727 The video has been sped up ten times to more clearly show this change in trajectory. 249 00:21:32,728 --> 00:21:37,733 NASA gives no official explanation for what this object might be, 250 00:21:37,733 --> 00:21:44,740 but their most common explanation for sightings of this kind are ice crystals breaking off from the shuttle. 251 00:21:45,741 --> 00:21:50,746 In this case, that explanation seems highly unlikely. 252 00:21:51,746 --> 00:21:57,752 But Dr. Jack Kasher, a professor emeritus of physics at the University of Nebraska, 253 00:21:57,752 --> 00:22:04,759 has examined this and other NASA videos, and he believes this is not always an adequate explanation. 254 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:12,767 There are several key ideas that led me to at least be satisfied with the concept that these are not ice particles. 255 00:22:12,767 --> 00:22:19,774 You see an object coming to frame from the lower right. It seems to stop, but it's not stopping, right Jack? 256 00:22:19,774 --> 00:22:23,778 Nope. It's moving away at this point. It's circling back around. 257 00:22:25,779 --> 00:22:31,785 Every other object in frame is almost as if it's stationary, except for that. 258 00:22:31,785 --> 00:22:38,792 It passed right about through here. That's the Earth, and it's going to come back down lower than it was before. 259 00:22:39,793 --> 00:22:45,799 You really have an object under intelligent control, arcing around and heading back toward the Earth. 260 00:22:48,802 --> 00:22:51,805 Could there be another possible explanation? 261 00:22:53,807 --> 00:22:56,810 Is this object a meteor or comet? 262 00:22:58,811 --> 00:23:05,818 A comet or meteor moving in the vacuum of space will continue to travel on its existing course, 263 00:23:05,818 --> 00:23:08,821 unless it's affected by an outside force. 264 00:23:11,824 --> 00:23:16,829 For this object to change direction, it needs to hit something. 265 00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:21,834 But this object doesn't appear to collide with any other object. 266 00:23:24,837 --> 00:23:30,842 When I first looked at this, I thought these were stars, and that we were in orbit looking out into space. 267 00:23:31,843 --> 00:23:39,851 It looks to me like it's following a perfect arc, moving away from us on an orbital plane, and the plane is above our point of view. 268 00:23:42,854 --> 00:23:47,859 I'm disagreeing and saying, no, it looks like this is actually changing direction before our eyes. 269 00:23:48,860 --> 00:23:53,865 To be intelligent to me, it would have to do something that was outside of a natural orbital arc. 270 00:23:54,866 --> 00:24:03,874 It's like a nice, natural, continuous arc that would be functioned purely of an inanimate object just in standard gravitational orbit. 271 00:24:05,876 --> 00:24:11,882 Whether this object is in a natural orbit or actually changing direction is difficult to determine. 272 00:24:12,883 --> 00:24:18,889 Even if this object is in orbit, it is highly unlikely to be a satellite or space junk, 273 00:24:18,889 --> 00:24:22,893 neither of which would have this type of orbital path. 274 00:24:23,894 --> 00:24:30,901 But the STS-114 Shuttle mission isn't the only mission to have recorded an anomalous event in space. 275 00:24:31,902 --> 00:24:36,906 The team will look at one of the most provocative pieces of evidence to date. 276 00:24:37,907 --> 00:24:41,911 This was the video that convinced NASA not to release the video right away. 277 00:24:49,919 --> 00:25:04,934 Since 1981, actual NASA footage taken during space shuttle missions displays what some UFO experts believe are objects behaving in an unnatural manner. 278 00:25:10,939 --> 00:25:17,946 September 15, 1991, Space Shuttle Mission STS-48 Discovery. 279 00:25:18,947 --> 00:25:20,949 Near 830 Greenwich, meantime. 280 00:25:21,950 --> 00:25:25,954 This video was captured by a camera mounted on the bulkhead of the shuttle. 281 00:25:26,955 --> 00:25:29,958 A glowing object appears near the horizon. 282 00:25:30,959 --> 00:25:37,966 It moves toward the left of the screen, but then quickly moves to the right at an incredible speed. 283 00:25:38,967 --> 00:25:43,971 A TV camera mounted on the outside of the shuttle records the scene. 284 00:25:44,972 --> 00:25:51,979 A light flashes at the left of the screen, and the object changes direction and streaks away. 285 00:25:53,981 --> 00:25:57,985 Later, two streaks of light flash through empty space. 286 00:26:00,988 --> 00:26:03,991 What did the space shuttle camera capture? 287 00:26:03,991 --> 00:26:17,003 This was the video that convinced NASA not to release the video right away. 288 00:26:18,004 --> 00:26:23,009 What makes this so interesting is that we're out in space, so we don't have too many options. 289 00:26:24,010 --> 00:26:28,014 If the main object is an ice particle, it's about up here. 290 00:26:29,015 --> 00:26:33,019 The camera is back here, pointing up at a 45-degree angle. 291 00:26:34,020 --> 00:26:43,029 We're left with this Vernier rocket firing down here as the only possible cause of an ice particle up here accelerating up and around like this. 292 00:26:47,033 --> 00:26:55,040 Vernier rockets are small rocket engines originally used on these missions to help keep the shuttle on its correct trajectory. 293 00:26:56,041 --> 00:27:01,046 There were four Vernier rocket thrusters on the Space Shuttle Discovery during STS-48. 294 00:27:01,046 --> 00:27:05,050 Two that point outwards, and two that point down. 295 00:27:06,051 --> 00:27:14,059 When these were fired to help keep the shuttle on its path, they would often cause ice particles to break off from the shuttle into space. 296 00:27:17,062 --> 00:27:19,064 There are a couple of the objects that you can track. 297 00:27:20,065 --> 00:27:25,069 If they are being accelerated by a rocket away, where those trajectories meet, that has to be the location of the rocket. 298 00:27:25,069 --> 00:27:32,076 And the trajectories actually diverge when they come back, so they couldn't possibly be accelerated by a Vernier rocket. 299 00:27:33,077 --> 00:27:41,085 If a Vernier rocket caused ice particles to accelerate, then these objects' paths could be traced back to the rocket. 300 00:27:43,087 --> 00:27:47,091 But in the footage, the objects' paths go in opposite directions, 301 00:27:48,092 --> 00:27:56,099 making it nearly impossible for the Vernier rocket to be responsible. 302 00:28:04,107 --> 00:28:09,112 Then you'll see there's a half-second pause, and ice particles can't pause when it's being pushed. 303 00:28:10,113 --> 00:28:23,126 We have some Vernier rockets that actually did fire about that time, but there is a 1.2 second delay between when the rocket fired and when the main object started to accelerate. 304 00:28:27,130 --> 00:28:30,132 In your history of doing projects like this, have you ever been wrong? 305 00:28:31,133 --> 00:28:36,138 From what I can tell from this data that I got, it stopped for half a second. 306 00:28:40,142 --> 00:28:48,150 Since these objects' paths do not coincide with the origin point of the Vernier rockets, and they also appear to stop in mid-flight, 307 00:28:49,151 --> 00:28:54,156 the team believes that it is very unlikely these are ice particles from the shuttle. 308 00:28:59,161 --> 00:29:03,164 It stops. That means there's some intelligent control going on. 309 00:29:04,165 --> 00:29:18,179 But some UFO researchers theorize there is a darker story behind the flash at the top of the screen, and the sudden movements of the objects. 310 00:29:22,183 --> 00:29:30,191 One of the theories about what the objects are that seem to come from Earth in the NASA STS-48 video 311 00:29:30,191 --> 00:29:33,194 is that it's some kind of a missile or a projectile. 312 00:29:34,195 --> 00:29:41,201 Something comes up from the lower left of the screen towards the object that just moved out of its way. 313 00:29:45,205 --> 00:29:52,212 The people who know the weapon systems that were around when STS took place say we didn't have any of those weapons. 314 00:29:53,213 --> 00:30:06,226 If there were weapons aimed in space, if those weapons existed, those would be the very weapons aimed at a UFO coming to Earth from outer space. 315 00:30:07,227 --> 00:30:25,244 NASA would help a lot of us to understand this better and maybe eliminate a lot of this UFO speculation if they had some people that would come out and offer us their explanations for some of these things. 316 00:30:26,245 --> 00:30:32,251 But is there an explanation for what the team believes is the most compelling NASA video yet? 317 00:30:36,255 --> 00:30:45,263 February 25, 1996. A 12-mile-long tether accidentally breaks and floats away from the shuttle Columbia. 318 00:30:46,264 --> 00:30:55,273 When the tether is between 75 and 100 miles away, the shuttle camera records dozens of small orbs suddenly surrounding it. 319 00:30:57,275 --> 00:31:06,284 The standard explanation is space debris, but why would debris cluster around an object and why does it seem to keep circling the tether? 320 00:31:07,285 --> 00:31:14,291 See those little snowflake or those disc shapes going right behind the tether? 321 00:31:15,292 --> 00:31:18,295 This UFO must have been at least 100 miles across flying behind this tether. 322 00:31:26,303 --> 00:31:30,307 NASA maintains its only mission is to explore outer space. 323 00:31:31,308 --> 00:31:36,313 But some claim NASA is suppressing evidence of UFOs. 324 00:31:39,316 --> 00:31:47,323 The team has been analyzing official NASA video taken during space shuttle missions to investigate these stories. 325 00:31:52,328 --> 00:31:57,333 STS-48 captures an object that changes direction in an instant. 326 00:32:00,336 --> 00:32:05,341 And STS-114 films an object traveling a very unusual path. 327 00:32:07,343 --> 00:32:17,353 But in the case of STS-75, the team finds the footage so compelling that they seek insight from experiments producer John Tyndall. 328 00:32:21,356 --> 00:32:27,362 Today we're going to demonstrate a difficulty that three dimensions being captured by two-dimensional cameras. 329 00:32:28,363 --> 00:32:34,369 John believes this experiment will shed light on the images captured by STS-75. 330 00:32:35,370 --> 00:32:40,375 A tether broke off from the space shuttle and was seemingly surrounded by small orbs. 331 00:32:41,376 --> 00:32:46,381 He has set up a spatial representation of the tether and the windows of the shuttle. 332 00:32:46,381 --> 00:32:53,387 All right, now you can see that's the tether. It's broken loose. See those little snowflake or those disc shapes going right behind the tether. 333 00:32:54,388 --> 00:33:00,394 Now other ones are appearing to be in the foreground, which leads a lot of folks to believe that they were real and they were out there. 334 00:33:02,396 --> 00:33:11,405 These particles may be nothing more than ice and debris from around the ship that are out of focus because a telephoto lens was used to capture the tether. 335 00:33:11,405 --> 00:33:18,412 NASA maintains that this is nothing more than ice and debris that's around the ship that's out of focus because this is a telephoto lens. 336 00:33:19,413 --> 00:33:24,418 Now the camera is using a lens, a telephoto lens, which incorporated a mirror. 337 00:33:25,419 --> 00:33:29,422 This hole that's in the center of this mirror also leaves an artifact. 338 00:33:30,423 --> 00:33:33,426 The same artifact that you see is the telephoto lens. 339 00:33:33,426 --> 00:33:40,433 Light illuminates these objects from behind and then this light bounces off the mirrored lens. 340 00:33:41,434 --> 00:33:47,440 The objects will now appear to have the form of the lens, even though this is not their actual shape. 341 00:33:49,442 --> 00:33:52,445 This can be seen by Tyndall's example. 342 00:33:53,446 --> 00:33:58,451 He has a mirror that's in the center of the tether, and it's a mirror that's in the center of the tether. 343 00:33:58,451 --> 00:34:00,452 This is the shape. 344 00:34:01,453 --> 00:34:03,455 This can be seen by Tyndall's example. 345 00:34:04,456 --> 00:34:08,460 He has prepared a small piece of fishing line that is backlit by a green light. 346 00:34:09,461 --> 00:34:14,466 However, when the line is passed in front of the camera, it doesn't look like fishing line. 347 00:34:15,467 --> 00:34:18,470 It takes the form of a circle with a hole in the center. 348 00:34:19,471 --> 00:34:25,477 The sunlight was coming across and hitting ice crystals and backlighting them and causing them to illuminate. 349 00:34:26,478 --> 00:34:33,484 Any shape that's around the lens of a camera or around the optical path will impinge on those circles of confusion. 350 00:34:38,489 --> 00:34:45,496 But even if the object's shape can be explained, why do they appear to pass behind the tether and circle it? 351 00:34:46,497 --> 00:35:01,512 John has set up a mock tether inside a three-dimensional environment and will show how this optical illusion occurs. 352 00:35:06,516 --> 00:35:09,519 You see how overexposed the tether is at this point? 353 00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:14,524 Even though this is in the foreground, it gives the illusion that it's passing behind. 354 00:35:18,528 --> 00:35:27,537 The image on STS-75's camera is overexposed, meaning that objects appear brighter than they actually are. 355 00:35:30,540 --> 00:35:35,545 This gives the illusion that they are behind the tether when they are actually in front. 356 00:35:40,549 --> 00:35:42,551 Does it say mimic the UFO? 357 00:35:42,551 --> 00:35:43,552 Yep. 358 00:35:45,554 --> 00:35:59,568 I think John Tyndall did a good job demonstrating a number of potential optical aberration effects that you might see in the conditions of taking photographic or videographic imagery through the space shuttle windows. 359 00:36:00,569 --> 00:36:08,577 The team successfully recreated some images from the STS footage, but others still remain unexplained. 360 00:36:09,578 --> 00:36:20,588 The only source, besides NASA, left to offer any further information are the astronauts themselves. 361 00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:34,602 Despite what some refer to as a code of silence amongst NASA employees, especially pilots and astronauts, some have decided to come forward with their own stories. 362 00:36:35,603 --> 00:36:38,606 I'm Edgar Mitchell. I'm one of 12 men who walked on the moon. 363 00:36:39,607 --> 00:36:50,617 Edgar Mitchell is the sixth man to walk on the moon, and a believer that extraterrestrial intelligence is likely. 364 00:36:54,621 --> 00:37:02,629 So Dr. Mitchell, you are not the first astronaut to speak out about UFOs and extraterrestrials. Can you tell me about some of the others? 365 00:37:02,629 --> 00:37:11,638 Through talking with astronauts and individuals in both government and intelligence agencies over the years, I'm quite confident we have been visited. 366 00:37:11,638 --> 00:37:14,641 A notion that we're alone in the universe becomes absurd. 367 00:37:17,644 --> 00:37:23,649 Because you have to be so highly skilled to be an astronaut, do you think that these reports of UFOs should be taken very seriously? 368 00:37:24,650 --> 00:37:30,656 Virtually all of the sightings by pilots and test pilots should be considered credible. 369 00:37:30,656 --> 00:37:36,662 Mitchell suggests that government agencies like NASA are not telling the entire truth. 370 00:37:42,668 --> 00:37:51,676 The literature in the UFO field, even though covered up and denied by officials, it's full of sightings. 371 00:37:52,677 --> 00:37:54,679 How does a disinformation program work? 372 00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:02,687 The standard tactic has been releasing a little bit of valid information with an awful, a great deal of false information. 373 00:38:03,688 --> 00:38:07,692 Two cast dispersions and two cast doubt on the real information. 374 00:38:07,692 --> 00:38:11,696 Most people in government don't know anything more about this than the man on the street. 375 00:38:12,697 --> 00:38:16,701 It's only a certain individual that really has all the details. 376 00:38:17,702 --> 00:38:23,708 What is NASA's goal in their continuing silence regarding UFOs? 377 00:38:24,708 --> 00:38:27,711 Are they ignoring a subject they have no interest in? 378 00:38:28,712 --> 00:38:30,714 Or holding back the real information? 379 00:38:31,715 --> 00:38:35,719 The team digs deeper into astronaut testimony. 380 00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:39,723 I'm Dr. Brian O'Leary, former NASA astronaut. 381 00:38:39,723 --> 00:38:44,728 Not only is the phenomenon very real, but there's also a very elaborate cover. 382 00:38:55,739 --> 00:39:00,743 The team has uncovered evidence on both sides of their NASA investigation. 383 00:39:01,744 --> 00:39:06,749 Evidence that may explain reported astronaut sightings and NASA videos. 384 00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:13,756 But some astronauts remain adamant that the UFO phenomenon is a reality. 385 00:39:14,757 --> 00:39:20,763 And that NASA has known about their sightings from the very beginnings of manned space missions. 386 00:39:23,766 --> 00:39:29,772 NASA pilot Joseph Walker told the National Conference on the Peaceful Uses of Space Search 387 00:39:29,772 --> 00:39:35,777 that he had filmed five cylindrical objects during his historic flight. 388 00:39:36,778 --> 00:39:43,785 In April 1962, when his X-15 climbed 50 miles above the Earth's surface. 389 00:39:45,787 --> 00:39:51,793 Then he told the stunned audience that the previous month he had filmed two disc-shaped objects. 390 00:39:53,795 --> 00:39:57,799 Only one still image was ever released by NASA. 391 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:09,810 Walker's statement was a rare discussion by a NASA pilot regarding sightings of UFOs and not the only one. 392 00:40:12,813 --> 00:40:17,818 Gordon Cooper, one of the astronauts from NASA's original Mercury project, 393 00:40:17,818 --> 00:40:21,822 claimed to have witnessed several strange aircraft throughout his career. 394 00:40:22,823 --> 00:40:27,828 They're just typical saucer shape, double intangular shape, metallic. 395 00:40:27,828 --> 00:40:31,832 I knew that we didn't have any vehicles of that kind. 396 00:40:31,832 --> 00:40:38,838 And I was 99.9 percent sure that the Russians didn't have any of that type either. 397 00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:44,844 And according to his memoirs, he said that NASA and the government, 398 00:40:44,844 --> 00:40:48,848 quote, swept these and other sightings under the rug. 399 00:40:49,849 --> 00:40:55,855 Gordon Cooper was very bitter that this secret had been kept from the American public. 400 00:40:55,855 --> 00:40:59,859 And he went so far as to address the United Nations about this topic. 401 00:40:59,859 --> 00:41:02,862 There's no way within the military or within the government 402 00:41:02,862 --> 00:41:07,867 of keeping track of something that is classified, unless you're directly involved in it. 403 00:41:07,867 --> 00:41:09,869 And I was not. 404 00:41:09,869 --> 00:41:13,872 Frankly, I don't see why they would be wanting to fabricate this kind of material. 405 00:41:13,872 --> 00:41:18,877 It's almost a negative career-wise for them to be coming forward with this sort of evidence. 406 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,885 In 2008, yet another former NASA astronaut has come forward. 407 00:41:32,891 --> 00:41:36,895 I'm Dr. Brian O'Leary, former NASA astronaut. 408 00:41:36,895 --> 00:41:41,900 Not only is the phenomenon very real, but there's also a very elaborate cover-up. 409 00:41:42,901 --> 00:41:48,906 Brian O'Leary, a NASA astronaut from 1967 to 1968, 410 00:41:48,906 --> 00:41:53,911 originally slated for a manned mission to Mars, has also come forward. 411 00:41:53,911 --> 00:41:56,914 But he wasn't always a believer. 412 00:41:56,914 --> 00:41:59,917 I myself was once a skeptic. 413 00:41:59,917 --> 00:42:01,919 Totally rejected the UFO phenomenon. 414 00:42:01,919 --> 00:42:05,923 I thought that they were hallucinations, marsh gas, Venus. 415 00:42:05,923 --> 00:42:11,929 I was on Carl Sagan's bandwagon during the 1960s, and while I was an astronaut. 416 00:42:12,930 --> 00:42:19,936 After I left NASA, I really began to learn what it's like to be the target of scoffing 417 00:42:19,936 --> 00:42:23,940 by people who would normally be my friends, my colleagues, 418 00:42:23,940 --> 00:42:28,945 just because I would inquire into areas that were outside of their box of inquiry. 419 00:42:29,946 --> 00:42:33,950 But were these attitudes passed on to all astronauts, 420 00:42:33,950 --> 00:42:37,954 or just to those who are interested in UFOs? 421 00:42:38,955 --> 00:42:43,960 Some of my fellow astronauts and scientist astronauts who did go up 422 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:51,967 and who have observed things very clearly, they were told not to report it. 423 00:42:55,971 --> 00:43:00,976 It is these reports which leave UFO researchers and other experts 424 00:43:00,976 --> 00:43:03,979 without a solid answer to their biggest question. 425 00:43:03,979 --> 00:43:08,984 Why does NASA continually avoid the subject of UFOs? 426 00:43:12,988 --> 00:43:15,991 We've got documents here, the Condon reports, 427 00:43:15,991 --> 00:43:19,995 the testimony of Ed White and James McDivitt, the UFOs they saw. 428 00:43:19,995 --> 00:43:26,000 I think I've moved beyond believing that there are mere contradictions in NASA's UFO policies 429 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,004 to believing that there may in fact be some kind of UFO cover-up. 430 00:43:30,004 --> 00:43:33,007 Cover-up at NASA? I doubt it. 431 00:43:33,007 --> 00:43:37,011 I'm not sure there is that much on record to cover up at NASA, 432 00:43:37,011 --> 00:43:42,016 besides some of these sort of very spurious videos and a few testimonies. 433 00:43:42,016 --> 00:43:44,018 What about the testimony of the astronauts themselves? 434 00:43:44,018 --> 00:43:45,019 I mean, can you ignore that? 435 00:43:45,019 --> 00:43:47,021 You can't ignore it, no. 436 00:43:50,024 --> 00:43:55,029 Has NASA already gained knowledge of extraterrestrial intelligence? 437 00:43:56,029 --> 00:44:02,035 The team believes that until all NASA photographs and video evidence are released 438 00:44:02,035 --> 00:44:05,038 and open discussions on the events are allowed, 439 00:44:05,038 --> 00:44:08,041 the NASA files will remain open. 440 00:44:25,058 --> 00:44:28,061 NASA